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  Full transcripts of judicial case.

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in january 2009 i was disfellowshipped from jw's.

  i documented the whole process and recorded it which you can find here:- death or obedience.

  many people asked for english transcripts of these recordings and i'm pleased to say i now have full transcripts kindly supplied anonymously for those who wish to read them.. these will be of great help to those who have trouble hearing or cannot understand the scottish accents on the recordings.. they are available here:- the trial of a jehovah's witness the new site has it's own audio link for each transcript so you can listen along as you read.. the person who has supplied me is interested in the moral and ethical issues this case has thrown up.

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  Hobo Ken

  @Mr freeze

  I had no real hope that an appeal would be successful so at least the recording of such might help others.

  The only reason for wanting to stay in would be to have some contact with family.

  Matt.
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  Full transcripts of judicial case.

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in january 2009 i was disfellowshipped from jw's.

  i documented the whole process and recorded it which you can find here:- death or obedience.

  many people asked for english transcripts of these recordings and i'm pleased to say i now have full transcripts kindly supplied anonymously for those who wish to read them.. these will be of great help to those who have trouble hearing or cannot understand the scottish accents on the recordings.. they are available here:- the trial of a jehovah's witness the new site has it's own audio link for each transcript so you can listen along as you read.. the person who has supplied me is interested in the moral and ethical issues this case has thrown up.

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  Hobo Ken

  In January 2009 I was disfellowshipped from JW's. I documented the whole process and recorded it which you can find here:- Death or obedience

  Many people asked for english transcripts of these recordings and I'm pleased to say I now have full transcripts kindly supplied anonymously for those who wish to read them.

  These will be of great help to those who have trouble hearing or cannot understand the Scottish accents on the recordings.

  They are available here:- The trial of a Jehovah's Witness The new site has it's own audio link for each transcript so you can listen along as you read.

  The person who has supplied me is interested in the moral and ethical issues this case has thrown up. They will supply content as such via essay and text commentary.

  I hope you guys find it of some help and please feel free to copy the link anywhere you see fit or send via email.

  Thanks

  Matt.
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  Who really is Michael the Archangel?

  by theMadJW in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.themadjws.com/whoismichael.htm.

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  let me know what you think- for i will be adding to the info!.

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  Hobo Ken

  Madjw"That is YOUR conclusion and opinion- which I have found to be false."

  So do you care to substantiate just why you have found my statement to be false?

  Here are a few examples of uncertainties in the Bible.

  Where exactly was the garden of eden? (i'm sure you'll recall the question mark on the map at the back of the NWT)

  Why does Bible Chronology point towards mankind being on earth for approximately 6000 years when all available evidence from all feilds shows mankind to have been here for more than 100,000 years at least?

  Why does the Bible describe an earth wide flood 4000 years ago when there is no geological eveidence whatsoever of this?

  Since there are extinct animals approximately 30,000-40,000 years old in some glaciers which themselves have been there far longer how does that fit in with the idea the earth used to be sub tropical globally as described in the Bible?

  Where is the historical and archaeological evidence of 3million people leaving Egypt as described in the Bible book of exodus?

  Who was melchizedek?

  When do the "last days" begin?

  What is the relevance of the "gentile times"?

  What do all the Numbers in Revelation and Daniel mean?

  I could go on.

  The problem is organisations such as Jehovah's Witnesses either think they have all these answers or they just ignore any contrary evidence, preferring to believe solely in the Bible as though it has all the answers.

  There is nothing wrong in having a faith or beleif in Jesus but this must be tempered with the fact that the source of what we know about his life and why he was meant to be here comes from a book with many unanswered questions and things we may never understand.

  The fact there is a thread on this forum in 2010 so long after Jesus lived where people are arguing whether he is the same person as Michael surely more than adequately proves my point.

  You ask who can you trust today?

  I say trust yourself first and foremost and don't go into anything blind or if you are already part of something, choose to ignore relevant information.

  Matt
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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  Nice points JWfacts. Doesn't the Bible in Revelation describe the actual WORSHIP of Jesus in the symbollic form of a Lamb?

  This can't be idolatry since it's in the Bible, but then a lamb is all fluffy and cute , nothing like "an instrument of torture".........

  Matt
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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  Hobo Ken

  Well put Kenneson.

  Matt.
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  HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

  i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

  they've already agreed to show up.

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  Hobo Ken

  Ok I see. That means that some of them aren't sure about DF'ing you and others are.

  Hope it works out the way you want.

  Btw I recorded all my meetings with them including judicial and the appeal.

  Here's my website with all the blogs and and recordings. death or obedience

  Hope it's of some help.

  matt.
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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  Are you being deliberately obtuse Jonah?

  The point in leo's thread is to show that the Watchtower society, specifically J.F. Rutherford, has misrepresented the information at hand for their own reasons.

  They are intellectually dishonest in the way they present their teachings and beliefs in the pages of their literature particularly when they reference other sources.

  The "issue" of the cross is one created by the WTS themselves to distinguish them from "pagan" Christendom.

  Whether we should be wearing crosses or not is another issue entirely. The fact the organisation says we shouldn't is irrelevant at best.

  What right do they have to tell anyone what to do when they are guilty of the lies , cover-ups, misrepresentations and distortion of facts?

  The thread is to prove that they have employed these very tactics in relation to their claim that Jesus died on a stake not a cross.

  Matt
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  HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

  i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

  they've already agreed to show up.

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  Hobo Ken

  How can you come out of a Judicial and not be told the verdict?

  Are they not supposed to tell you at the end what they have decided?

  Matt
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  Who really is Michael the Archangel?

  by theMadJW in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.themadjws.com/whoismichael.htm.

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  Hobo Ken

  The original question of this thread is "who really is Michael the archangel?"

  Is it fair to say first he's a character in a book?

  Is it accurate to say his name is given and his description in that book as , respectively Michael and Angel-chief?

  After these rather obvious facts it becomes a matter of subjective opinion and religious belief.

  Does a person believe that the Bible, has the authority and value it claims for itself in it's pages?

  If you don't believe in God or the Bible the question is moot. If you do it depends on your religious environment what interpretation or version you will accept.

  There are those who have no respect and no belief in the Bible and others at the other end of the scale believe the Bible to be the perfect word of God and as such a very important book.

  The reason this thread has 16 or so pages about the identity of a character in a book is because no-one can really be 100% certain about everything in the Bible since God , if he exists , hasn't said much since it was written down by way of explanation.

  There are those of course such as C.T. Russell and Joseph Smith who claim that God is or was using them to explain things from the Bible.

  This of course why organisations such as the WTBTS and the CLDS flourish because people buy into their claim of "Divine" knowledge.

  So far as I'm concerned what is not up for debate is that these events and the characters in this debate are from a time almost 2000 years ago!

  What does it matter whether Jesus is Michael ?

  Does it matter whether God is triune in nature?

  These are issues which have been created and debated by people who claim it matters ,such as the Watchtower Society and others.

  They would have us believe we need to know it all and have it all neatly parceled up.

  So what if we don't? What's going to happen?

  Is God going to show up and murder us for not understanding? Send us to hell/kill us at Armaggedon?

  Either way Christians and JW's alike have been waiting for approximately 2000 years for the action to begin. None of us statistically are likely to see it, should it turn out the non-believers are wrong.

  What makes us different from any other period in history? Nothing at all. Unless we are actually living in the "last days"..........

  Matt
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  June 2010 Awake! more duplicity.....

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was up in my mum's house the other night (she and my father are still active jws) and saw the june 2010 awake!.

  as i browsed through it i came to watching the world.

  as i read the article on the "baby mammoth" i noticed that there seemed to be some important information missing, as well as some good old watchtower selective quoting.. bear in mind that devout witnesses would never question the organisation or suspect that an article could be misleading them far less go and research the information to check it's authenticity.. the article mentions the age of the animal at time of death (3 to 4 months) and the fact that it was well preservedin the ice and that it's airways and digestive systems were clogged with silt.. right at the end of the article they say that the "scientists were lead to believe" the animal "must have drowned".

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  bttt